Steve Kerr vs. Robert Parish Season by Season Comparison

Side by side comparison of each NBA season of Robert Parish and Steve Kerr, from their rookie seasons to their last year played, in chronological order with awards, stats, championships and playoff performance of their teams every year.

Player comparisons:
Career comparison / Season by season / Games against each other

Who had the better rookie season? Who had best stats in their 10th season? Who won a championship first? These questions and many others, are answered here.

Steve Kerr played 15 years in the NBA, 6 less than Robert Parish, who played 21. Steve Kerr had the first of his seasons in 1988-89, while Robert Parish had his rookie season in 1976-77. With that starting point, here you can take a look at each of their seasons side by side and compare how their careers evolved in achivements, awards and championships won, the stats they recorded both in the Regular Season and the Playoffs and how their teams performed in the postseason.

Their Careers

Player
Total Seasons Playoffs Played NBA Years
Steve Kerr 15 11 1988-89 to 2002-03
Robert Parish 21 16 1976-77 to 1996-97

Comparison Season by Season

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Rookie Season

Steve Kerr Robert Parish
Season 1988-891976-77
Team Phoenix SunsGolden State Warriors
Honors & Awards
Playoffs Did Not PlayWarriors Lost West Conf Semis
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Regular Season Stats
G Min Pts ORb DRb Reb Ast Stl Blk TO PF FGM / A % 3PM / A % FTM / A %
Steve Kerr 26 6.0 2.1 0.1 0.5 0.7 0.9 0.3 0.0 0.2 0.5 0.8 1.8 .435 0.3 0.7 .471 0.2 0.3 .667
Robert Parish 77 18.0 9.1 2.6 4.4 7.1 1.0 0.7 1.2 - 2.9 3.7 7.4 .503 - - - 1.6 2.2 .708
Playoffs Stats
G Min Pts ORb DRb Reb Ast Stl Blk TO PF FGM / A % 3PM / A % FTM / A %
Steve Kerr ------- --- ----------
Robert Parish 10 23.9 12.1 4.3 6.0 10.3 1.1 0.7 1.1 - 4.2 5.2 10.8 .481 - - - 1.7 2.6 .654

Season 2

Steve Kerr Robert Parish
Season 1989-901977-78
Team Cleveland CavaliersGolden State Warriors
Honors & Awards
Playoffs Cavaliers Lost East Conf 1st RdDid Not Play
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Regular Season Stats
G Min Pts ORb DRb Reb Ast Stl Blk TO PF FGM / A % 3PM / A % FTM / A %
Steve Kerr 78 21.3 6.7 0.2 1.1 1.3 3.2 0.6 0.1 0.9 0.8 2.5 5.5 .444 0.9 1.8 .507 0.8 0.9 .863
Robert Parish 82 24.0 12.5 2.6 5.7 8.3 1.2 1.0 1.5 2.5 3.5 5.2 11.1 .472 - - - 2.0 3.2 .625
Playoffs Stats
G Min Pts ORb DRb Reb Ast Stl Blk TO PF FGM / A % 3PM / A % FTM / A %
Steve Kerr 5 14.6 1.6 0.2 1.0 1.2 2.0 0.8 0.0 0.4 1.2 0.8 2.8 .286 0.0 0.6 .000 0.0 0.0 -
Robert Parish ------- --- ----------

Season 3

Steve Kerr Robert Parish
Season 1990-911978-79
Team Cleveland CavaliersGolden State Warriors
Honors & Awards
Playoffs Did Not PlayDid Not Play
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Regular Season Stats
G Min Pts ORb DRb Reb Ast Stl Blk TO PF FGM / A % 3PM / A % FTM / A %
Steve Kerr 57 15.9 4.8 0.1 0.6 0.6 2.3 0.5 0.1 0.7 0.9 1.7 3.9 .444 0.5 1.1 .452 0.8 0.9 .849
Robert Parish 76 31.7 17.2 3.5 8.6 12.1 1.5 1.3 2.9 3.1 4.0 7.3 14.6 .499 - - - 2.6 3.7 .698
Playoffs Stats
G Min Pts ORb DRb Reb Ast Stl Blk TO PF FGM / A % 3PM / A % FTM / A %
Steve Kerr ------- --- ----------
Robert Parish ------- --- ----------

Season 4

Steve Kerr Robert Parish
Season 1991-921979-80
Team Cleveland CavaliersGolden State Warriors
Honors & Awards
Playoffs Cavaliers Lost East Conf FinalsDid Not Play
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Regular Season Stats
G Min Pts ORb DRb Reb Ast Stl Blk TO PF FGM / A % 3PM / A % FTM / A %
Steve Kerr 48 17.6 6.6 0.3 1.3 1.6 2.3 0.6 0.2 0.6 0.6 2.5 4.9 .511 0.7 1.5 .432 0.9 1.1 .833
Robert Parish 72 29.4 17.0 3.4 7.4 10.9 1.7 0.8 1.6 3.1 3.4 7.1 14.0 .507 0.0 0.0 .000 2.8 3.9 .715
Playoffs Stats
G Min Pts ORb DRb Reb Ast Stl Blk TO PF FGM / A % 3PM / A % FTM / A %
Steve Kerr 12 12.4 3.7 0.1 0.4 0.5 0.8 0.4 0.0 0.3 1.0 1.5 3.4 .439 0.3 0.9 .273 0.4 0.4 1.000
Robert Parish ------- --- ----------

Season 5

Steve Kerr Robert Parish
Season 1992-931980-81
Team Cleveland Cavaliers, Orlando MagicBoston Celtics
Honors & Awards -Achievement All-Star Game
Playoffs Did Not PlayNBA Champion NBA Champion
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Regular Season Stats
G Min Pts ORb DRb Reb Ast Stl Blk TO PF FGM / A % 3PM / A % FTM / A %
Steve Kerr 52 9.3 2.6 0.1 0.8 0.9 1.3 0.2 0.0 0.5 0.7 1.0 2.3 .434 0.1 0.5 .231 0.4 0.5 .917
Robert Parish 82 28.0 18.9 3.0 6.5 9.5 1.8 1.0 2.6 2.3 3.8 7.7 14.2 .545 0.0 0.0 .000 3.4 4.8 .710
Playoffs Stats
G Min Pts ORb DRb Reb Ast Stl Blk TO PF FGM / A % 3PM / A % FTM / A %
Steve Kerr ------- --- ----------
Robert Parish 17 28.9 15.0 2.9 5.6 8.6 1.1 1.2 2.3 2.6 4.4 6.4 12.9 .493 0.0 0.0 - 2.3 3.4 .672

Season 6

Steve Kerr Robert Parish
Season 1993-941981-82
Team Chicago BullsBoston Celtics
Honors & Awards -Achievement All-NBA Second Team
-Achievement All-Star Game
Playoffs Bulls Lost East Conf SemisCeltics Lost East Conf Finals
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Regular Season Stats
G Min Pts ORb DRb Reb Ast Stl Blk TO PF FGM / A % 3PM / A % FTM / A %
Steve Kerr 82 24.8 8.6 0.3 1.3 1.6 2.6 0.9 0.0 0.7 1.2 3.5 7.0 .497 0.6 1.5 .419 1.0 1.2 .856
Robert Parish 80 31.7 19.9 3.6 7.2 10.8 1.8 0.9 2.4 2.8 3.3 8.4 15.4 .542 0.0 0.0 - 3.2 4.4 .710
Playoffs Stats
G Min Pts ORb DRb Reb Ast Stl Blk TO PF FGM / A % 3PM / A % FTM / A %
Steve Kerr 10 18.6 3.5 0.2 1.2 1.4 1.0 0.7 0.0 0.1 1.3 1.3 3.6 .361 0.6 1.6 .375 0.3 0.3 1.000
Robert Parish 12 35.5 21.3 3.6 7.7 11.3 1.5 0.4 4.0 3.3 3.9 8.5 17.4 .488 0.0 0.0 - 4.3 6.3 .680

Season 7

Steve Kerr Robert Parish
Season 1994-951982-83
Team Chicago BullsBoston Celtics
Honors & Awards -Achievement All-Star Game
Playoffs Bulls Lost East Conf SemisCeltics Lost East Conf Semis
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Regular Season Stats
G Min Pts ORb DRb Reb Ast Stl Blk TO PF FGM / A % 3PM / A % FTM / A %
Steve Kerr 82 22.4 8.2 0.2 1.2 1.5 1.8 0.5 0.0 0.6 1.4 3.2 6.0 .527 1.1 2.1 .524 0.8 1.0 .778
Robert Parish 78 31.5 19.3 3.3 7.3 10.6 1.8 1.0 1.9 2.4 2.8 7.9 14.4 .550 0.0 0.0 .000 3.5 5.0 .698
Playoffs Stats
G Min Pts ORb DRb Reb Ast Stl Blk TO PF FGM / A % 3PM / A % FTM / A %
Steve Kerr 10 19.3 5.1 0.1 0.5 0.6 1.5 0.1 0.0 0.0 1.4 1.9 4.0 .475 0.8 1.9 .421 0.5 0.5 1.000
Robert Parish 7 35.6 14.7 3.0 7.6 10.6 1.3 0.7 1.3 2.4 2.6 6.1 12.7 .483 0.0 0.0 - 2.4 2.9 .850

Season 8

Steve Kerr Robert Parish
Season 1995-961983-84
Team Chicago BullsBoston Celtics
Honors & Awards -Achievement All-Star Game
Playoffs NBA Champion NBA ChampionNBA Champion NBA Champion
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Regular Season Stats
G Min Pts ORb DRb Reb Ast Stl Blk TO PF FGM / A % 3PM / A % FTM / A %
Steve Kerr 82 23.4 8.4 0.3 1.0 1.3 2.3 0.8 0.0 0.5 1.3 3.0 5.9 .506 1.5 2.9 .515 1.0 1.0 .929
Robert Parish 80 35.8 19.0 3.0 7.7 10.7 1.7 0.7 1.5 2.3 3.3 7.8 14.3 .546 0.0 0.0 - 3.4 4.6 .745
Playoffs Stats
G Min Pts ORb DRb Reb Ast Stl Blk TO PF FGM / A % 3PM / A % FTM / A %
Steve Kerr 18 19.8 6.8 0.2 0.8 1.0 1.7 0.8 0.0 0.7 1.2 2.2 4.8 .448 0.9 2.9 .321 1.5 1.7 .871
Robert Parish 23 37.8 14.9 3.3 7.5 10.8 1.2 1.0 1.8 2.0 4.3 6.0 12.7 .478 0.0 0.0 - 2.8 4.3 .646

Season 9

Steve Kerr Robert Parish
Season 1996-971984-85
Team Chicago BullsBoston Celtics
Honors & Awards -Achievement All-Star Game
Playoffs NBA Champion NBA ChampionCeltics Lost NBA Finals
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Regular Season Stats
G Min Pts ORb DRb Reb Ast Stl Blk TO PF FGM / A % 3PM / A % FTM / A %
Steve Kerr 82 22.7 8.1 0.4 1.2 1.6 2.1 0.8 0.0 0.5 1.2 3.0 5.7 .533 1.3 2.9 .464 0.7 0.8 .806
Robert Parish 79 36.1 17.6 3.3 7.3 10.6 1.6 0.7 1.3 2.4 2.8 7.0 12.9 .542 0.0 0.0 - 3.7 5.0 .743
Playoffs Stats
G Min Pts ORb DRb Reb Ast Stl Blk TO PF FGM / A % 3PM / A % FTM / A %
Steve Kerr 19 17.9 5.0 0.2 0.7 0.9 1.1 0.9 0.1 0.4 1.3 1.7 4.1 .429 0.8 2.2 .381 0.7 0.7 .929
Robert Parish 21 38.2 17.1 2.7 7.7 10.4 1.5 1.0 1.6 2.4 3.2 6.5 13.1 .493 0.0 0.0 - 4.1 5.3 .784

Season 10

Steve Kerr Robert Parish
Season 1997-981985-86
Team Chicago BullsBoston Celtics
Honors & Awards -Achievement All-Star Game
Playoffs NBA Champion NBA ChampionNBA Champion NBA Champion
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Regular Season Stats
G Min Pts ORb DRb Reb Ast Stl Blk TO PF FGM / A % 3PM / A % FTM / A %
Steve Kerr 50 22.4 7.5 0.3 1.3 1.5 1.9 0.5 0.1 0.5 1.4 2.7 6.0 .454 1.1 2.6 .438 0.9 1.0 .918
Robert Parish 81 31.7 16.1 3.0 6.5 9.5 1.8 0.8 1.4 2.3 2.7 6.5 11.9 .549 0.0 0.0 - 3.0 4.1 .731
Playoffs Stats
G Min Pts ORb DRb Reb Ast Stl Blk TO PF FGM / A % 3PM / A % FTM / A %
Steve Kerr 21 19.8 4.9 0.4 0.4 0.8 1.7 0.3 0.0 0.2 1.2 1.6 3.6 .434 0.9 2.0 .463 0.9 1.0 .818
Robert Parish 18 32.8 15.0 2.9 5.9 8.8 1.4 0.5 1.7 2.4 2.6 5.9 12.5 .471 0.0 0.0 - 3.2 4.9 .652

Season 11

Steve Kerr Robert Parish
Season 1998-991986-87
Team San Antonio SpursBoston Celtics
Honors & Awards -Achievement All-Star Game
Playoffs NBA Champion NBA ChampionCeltics Lost NBA Finals
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Regular Season Stats
G Min Pts ORb DRb Reb Ast Stl Blk TO PF FGM / A % 3PM / A % FTM / A %
Steve Kerr 44 16.7 4.4 0.1 0.9 1.0 1.1 0.5 0.1 0.5 0.6 1.5 4.0 .391 0.6 1.8 .313 0.7 0.8 .886
Robert Parish 80 37.4 17.5 3.2 7.5 10.6 2.2 0.8 1.8 2.4 3.3 7.4 13.2 .556 0.0 0.0 .000 2.8 3.9 .735
Playoffs Stats
G Min Pts ORb DRb Reb Ast Stl Blk TO PF FGM / A % 3PM / A % FTM / A %
Steve Kerr 11 8.7 2.2 0.3 0.5 0.8 0.7 0.2 0.0 0.4 0.5 0.7 2.7 .267 0.3 1.2 .231 0.5 0.5 .833
Robert Parish 21 35.0 18.0 2.8 6.6 9.4 1.3 0.9 1.7 1.8 3.8 7.1 12.5 .567 0.0 0.0 .000 3.8 4.9 .767

Season 12

Steve Kerr Robert Parish
Season 1999-001987-88
Team San Antonio SpursBoston Celtics
Honors & Awards
Playoffs Did Not PlayCeltics Lost East Conf Finals
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Regular Season Stats
G Min Pts ORb DRb Reb Ast Stl Blk TO PF FGM / A % 3PM / A % FTM / A %
Steve Kerr 32 8.4 2.8 0.1 0.5 0.6 0.4 0.1 0.0 0.2 0.4 1.0 2.3 .432 0.5 1.0 .516 0.3 0.3 .818
Robert Parish 74 31.2 14.3 2.3 6.1 8.5 1.6 0.7 1.1 2.1 2.7 6.0 10.1 .589 0.0 0.0 .000 2.4 3.3 .734
Playoffs Stats
G Min Pts ORb DRb Reb Ast Stl Blk TO PF FGM / A % 3PM / A % FTM / A %
Steve Kerr ------- --- ----------
Robert Parish 17 36.8 14.7 3.0 6.9 9.9 1.2 0.6 1.1 2.2 2.5 5.9 11.1 .532 0.0 0.0 - 2.9 3.6 .820

Season 13

Steve Kerr Robert Parish
Season 2000-011988-89
Team San Antonio SpursBoston Celtics
Honors & Awards -Achievement All-NBA Third Team
Playoffs Spurs Lost West Conf FinalsCeltics Lost East Conf 1st Rd
more >>
Regular Season Stats
G Min Pts ORb DRb Reb Ast Stl Blk TO PF FGM / A % 3PM / A % FTM / A %
Steve Kerr 55 11.8 3.3 0.1 0.5 0.6 1.0 0.3 0.0 0.4 0.5 1.2 2.9 .421 0.6 1.4 .429 0.3 0.3 .933
Robert Parish 80 35.5 18.6 4.3 8.2 12.5 2.2 1.0 1.5 2.5 2.6 7.5 13.1 .570 0.0 0.0 - 3.7 5.1 .719
Playoffs Stats
G Min Pts ORb DRb Reb Ast Stl Blk TO PF FGM / A % 3PM / A % FTM / A %
Steve Kerr 9 11.1 3.3 0.3 0.7 1.0 0.7 0.4 0.1 0.2 0.9 1.3 2.8 .480 0.6 1.7 .333 0.1 0.2 .500
Robert Parish 3 37.3 15.7 2.0 6.7 8.7 2.0 1.3 0.7 2.0 1.7 6.7 14.7 .455 0.0 0.0 - 2.3 3.0 .778

Season 14

Steve Kerr Robert Parish
Season 2001-021989-90
Team Portland Trail BlazersBoston Celtics
Honors & Awards -Achievement All-Star Game
Playoffs Trail Blazers Lost West Conf 1st RdCeltics Lost East Conf 1st Rd
more >>
Regular Season Stats
G Min Pts ORb DRb Reb Ast Stl Blk TO PF FGM / A % 3PM / A % FTM / A %
Steve Kerr 65 11.9 4.1 0.1 0.8 0.9 1.0 0.2 0.0 0.4 0.8 1.6 3.3 .470 0.4 1.0 .394 0.6 0.6 .975
Robert Parish 79 30.3 15.7 3.3 6.8 10.1 1.3 0.5 0.9 2.1 2.4 6.4 11.0 .580 0.0 0.0 - 2.9 3.9 .747
Playoffs Stats
G Min Pts ORb DRb Reb Ast Stl Blk TO PF FGM / A % 3PM / A % FTM / A %
Steve Kerr 3 13.0 6.3 0.0 1.3 1.3 1.7 0.3 0.0 0.3 2.0 2.0 4.7 .429 0.7 2.7 .250 1.7 1.7 1.000
Robert Parish 5 34.0 15.8 4.6 5.4 10.0 2.6 1.0 1.4 2.4 4.2 6.2 10.8 .574 0.0 0.0 - 3.4 3.6 .944

Season 15

Steve Kerr Robert Parish
Season 2002-031990-91
Team San Antonio SpursBoston Celtics
Honors & Awards -Achievement All-Star Game
Playoffs NBA Champion NBA ChampionCeltics Lost East Conf Semis
more >>
Regular Season Stats
G Min Pts ORb DRb Reb Ast Stl Blk TO PF FGM / A % 3PM / A % FTM / A %
Steve Kerr 75 12.7 4.0 0.2 0.6 0.8 0.9 0.4 0.0 0.5 0.7 1.5 3.4 .430 0.7 1.7 .395 0.4 0.5 .882
Robert Parish 81 30.1 14.9 3.3 7.2 10.6 0.8 0.8 1.3 1.9 2.4 6.0 10.0 .598 0.0 0.0 .000 2.9 3.8 .767
Playoffs Stats
G Min Pts ORb DRb Reb Ast Stl Blk TO PF FGM / A % 3PM / A % FTM / A %
Steve Kerr 10 4.5 2.2 0.1 0.2 0.3 0.6 0.1 0.0 0.1 0.6 0.7 1.1 .636 0.5 0.6 .833 0.3 0.4 .750
Robert Parish 10 29.6 15.8 3.3 5.9 9.2 0.6 0.8 0.7 1.6 3.4 5.8 9.7 .598 0.0 0.0 - 4.2 6.1 .689

Season 16

Steve Kerr Robert Parish
Season -1991-92
Team -Boston Celtics
Honors & Awards
Playoffs -Celtics Lost East Conf Semis
more >>
Regular Season Stats
G Min Pts ORb DRb Reb Ast Stl Blk TO PF FGM / A % 3PM / A % FTM / A %
Steve Kerr ------- --- ----------
Robert Parish 79 28.9 14.1 2.8 6.2 8.9 0.9 0.9 1.2 1.7 2.2 5.9 11.1 .535 0.0 0.0 - 2.3 2.9 .772
Playoffs Stats
G Min Pts ORb DRb Reb Ast Stl Blk TO PF FGM / A % 3PM / A % FTM / A %
Steve Kerr ------- --- ----------
Robert Parish 10 33.5 12.0 3.8 5.9 9.7 1.4 0.7 1.5 0.9 2.2 5.0 10.1 .495 0.0 0.0 - 2.0 2.8 .714

Season 17

Steve Kerr Robert Parish
Season -1992-93
Team -Boston Celtics
Honors & Awards
Playoffs -Celtics Lost East Conf 1st Rd
more >>
Regular Season Stats
G Min Pts ORb DRb Reb Ast Stl Blk TO PF FGM / A % 3PM / A % FTM / A %
Steve Kerr ------- --- ----------
Robert Parish 79 27.2 12.6 3.1 6.3 9.4 0.8 0.7 1.4 1.5 2.5 5.3 9.8 .535 0.0 0.0 - 2.1 3.0 .689
Playoffs Stats
G Min Pts ORb DRb Reb Ast Stl Blk TO PF FGM / A % 3PM / A % FTM / A %
Steve Kerr ------- --- ----------
Robert Parish 4 36.5 17.0 3.3 6.3 9.5 1.3 0.3 1.5 1.5 3.5 7.8 14.3 .544 0.0 0.0 - 1.5 1.8 .857

Season 18

Steve Kerr Robert Parish
Season -1993-94
Team -Boston Celtics
Honors & Awards
Playoffs -Did Not Play
more >>
Regular Season Stats
G Min Pts ORb DRb Reb Ast Stl Blk TO PF FGM / A % 3PM / A % FTM / A %
Steve Kerr ------- --- ----------
Robert Parish 74 26.9 11.7 1.9 5.4 7.3 1.1 0.6 1.3 1.5 2.6 4.8 9.8 .491 0.0 0.0 - 2.1 2.8 .740
Playoffs Stats
G Min Pts ORb DRb Reb Ast Stl Blk TO PF FGM / A % 3PM / A % FTM / A %
Steve Kerr ------- --- ----------
Robert Parish ------- --- ----------

Season 19

Steve Kerr Robert Parish
Season -1994-95
Team -Charlotte Hornets
Honors & Awards
Playoffs -Hornets Lost East Conf 1st Rd
more >>
Regular Season Stats
G Min Pts ORb DRb Reb Ast Stl Blk TO PF FGM / A % 3PM / A % FTM / A %
Steve Kerr ------- --- ----------
Robert Parish 81 16.7 4.8 1.1 3.2 4.3 0.5 0.3 0.4 0.8 1.6 2.0 4.6 .427 0.0 0.0 - 0.9 1.2 .703
Playoffs Stats
G Min Pts ORb DRb Reb Ast Stl Blk TO PF FGM / A % 3PM / A % FTM / A %
Steve Kerr ------- --- ----------
Robert Parish 4 17.8 3.5 1.0 1.3 2.3 0.3 0.0 0.8 0.3 0.5 1.5 2.8 .545 0.0 0.0 - 0.5 1.3 .400

Season 20

Steve Kerr Robert Parish
Season -1995-96
Team -Charlotte Hornets
Honors & Awards
Playoffs -Did Not Play
more >>
Regular Season Stats
G Min Pts ORb DRb Reb Ast Stl Blk TO PF FGM / A % 3PM / A % FTM / A %
Steve Kerr ------- --- ----------
Robert Parish 74 14.7 3.9 1.2 2.9 4.1 0.4 0.3 0.7 0.7 1.1 1.6 3.3 .498 0.0 0.0 - 0.7 1.0 .704
Playoffs Stats
G Min Pts ORb DRb Reb Ast Stl Blk TO PF FGM / A % 3PM / A % FTM / A %
Steve Kerr ------- --- ----------
Robert Parish ------- --- ----------

Season 21

Steve Kerr Robert Parish
Season -1996-97
Team -Chicago Bulls
Honors & Awards
Playoffs -NBA Champion NBA Champion
more >>
Regular Season Stats
G Min Pts ORb DRb Reb Ast Stl Blk TO PF FGM / A % 3PM / A % FTM / A %
Steve Kerr ------- --- ----------
Robert Parish 43 9.4 3.7 1.0 1.1 2.1 0.5 0.1 0.4 0.7 0.9 1.6 3.3 .490 0.0 0.0 - 0.5 0.7 .677
Playoffs Stats
G Min Pts ORb DRb Reb Ast Stl Blk TO PF FGM / A % 3PM / A % FTM / A %
Steve Kerr ------- --- ----------
Robert Parish 2 9.0 1.0 1.0 1.0 2.0 0.0 0.0 1.5 0.0 1.0 0.5 3.5 .143 0.0 0.0 - 0.0 0.0 -