J.J. Barea vs. Gary Payton Season by Season Comparison

Side by side comparison of each NBA season of Gary Payton and J.J. Barea, from their rookie seasons to their last year played, in chronological order with awards, stats, championships and playoff performance of their teams every year.

Player comparisons:
Career comparison / Season by season / Games against each other

Who had the better rookie season? Who had best stats in their 10th season? Who won a championship first? These questions and many others, are answered here.

J.J. Barea played 14 years in the NBA, 3 less than Gary Payton, who played 17. J.J. Barea had the first of his seasons in 2006-07, while Gary Payton had his rookie season in 1990-91. With that starting point, here you can take a look at each of their seasons side by side and compare how their careers evolved in achivements, awards and championships won, the stats they recorded both in the Regular Season and the Playoffs and how their teams performed in the postseason.

Their Careers
Player	Total Seasons	Playoffs Played	NBA Years
J.J. Barea	14	8	2006-07 to 2019-20
Gary Payton	17	15	1990-91 to 2006-07

Comparison Season by Season
Jump to season: 1-2-3-4-5-6-7-8-9-10-11-12-13-14-15-16-17


Rookie Season
	J.J. Barea	Gary Payton
Season	2006-07	1990-91
Team	Dallas Mavericks	Seattle Supersonics
Honors & Awards	-	All-Rookie Second Team
Playoffs	Mavericks Lost West Conf 1st Rd	Supersonics Lost West Conf 1st Rd

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Regular Season Stats
	G	Min	Pts	ORb	DRb	Reb	Ast	Stl	Blk	TO	PF	FGM / A		%	3PM / A		%	FTM / A		%
J.J. Barea	33	5.8	2.4	0.2	0.5	0.8	0.7	0.0	0.0	0.4	0.6	0.8	2.4	.359	0.2	0.6	.286	0.5	0.7	.667
Gary Payton	82	27.4	7.2	1.3	1.6	3.0	6.4	2.0	0.2	2.2	3.0	3.2	7.0	.450	0.0	0.2	.077	0.8	1.2	.711

Playoffs Stats
	G	Min	Pts	ORb	DRb	Reb	Ast	Stl	Blk	TO	PF	FGM / A		%	3PM / A		%	FTM / A		%
J.J. Barea	2	2.0	0.0	0.0	0.0	0	0.0	0.0	0.0	0.0	0.0	0.0	0.0	-	0.0	0.0	-	0.0	1.0	.000
Gary Payton	5	27.0	4.8	1.0	1.6	2.6	6.4	1.6	0.2	1.8	3.2	2.2	5.4	.407	0.0	0.2	.000	0.4	0.4	1.000


Season 2
	J.J. Barea	Gary Payton
Season	2007-08	1991-92
Team	Dallas Mavericks	Seattle Supersonics
Honors & Awards
Playoffs	Mavericks Lost West Conf 1st Rd	Supersonics Lost West Conf Semis

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Regular Season Stats
	G	Min	Pts	ORb	DRb	Reb	Ast	Stl	Blk	TO	PF	FGM / A		%	3PM / A		%	FTM / A		%
J.J. Barea	44	10.5	4.3	0.1	1.0	1.1	1.3	0.3	0.0	0.8	1.1	1.6	3.9	.418	0.5	1.2	.389	0.6	0.8	.800
Gary Payton	81	31.5	9.4	1.5	2.1	3.6	6.2	1.8	0.3	2.1	3.1	4.1	9.1	.451	0.0	0.3	.130	1.2	1.8	.669

Playoffs Stats
	G	Min	Pts	ORb	DRb	Reb	Ast	Stl	Blk	TO	PF	FGM / A		%	3PM / A		%	FTM / A		%
J.J. Barea	1	5.0	8.0	0.0	0.0	0	1.0	0.0	0.0	0.0	1.0	3.0	4.0	.750	2.0	2.0	1.000	0.0	0.0	-
Gary Payton	8	27.6	7.6	0.8	1.9	2.6	4.8	1.0	0.3	1.3	3.3	3.4	7.3	.466	0.0	0.3	.000	0.9	1.5	.583


Season 3
	J.J. Barea	Gary Payton
Season	2008-09	1992-93
Team	Dallas Mavericks	Seattle Supersonics
Honors & Awards
Playoffs	Mavericks Lost West Conf Semis	Supersonics Lost West Conf Finals

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Regular Season Stats
	G	Min	Pts	ORb	DRb	Reb	Ast	Stl	Blk	TO	PF	FGM / A		%	3PM / A		%	FTM / A		%
J.J. Barea	79	20.3	7.8	0.5	1.8	2.2	3.4	0.5	0.1	1.3	1.5	3.1	7.1	.442	0.7	1.9	.357	0.9	1.2	.753
Gary Payton	82	31.1	13.5	1.2	2.3	3.4	4.9	2.2	0.3	1.8	3.0	5.8	11.7	.494	0.1	0.4	.206	1.8	2.4	.770

Playoffs Stats
	G	Min	Pts	ORb	DRb	Reb	Ast	Stl	Blk	TO	PF	FGM / A		%	3PM / A		%	FTM / A		%
J.J. Barea	10	22.1	7.6	0.3	1.7	2.0	3.4	0.3	0.0	0.6	1.3	3.1	7.1	.437	0.5	1.6	.313	0.9	1.3	.692
Gary Payton	19	31.8	12.3	1.2	2.2	3.3	3.7	1.8	0.2	1.8	3.4	5.5	12.4	.443	0.1	0.3	.167	1.3	1.9	.676


Season 4
	J.J. Barea	Gary Payton
Season	2009-10	1993-94
Team	Dallas Mavericks	Seattle Supersonics
Honors & Awards	-	All-NBA Third Team
	-	All-Defensive First Team
	-	All-Star Game
Playoffs	Mavericks Lost West Conf 1st Rd	Supersonics Lost West Conf 1st Rd

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Regular Season Stats
	G	Min	Pts	ORb	DRb	Reb	Ast	Stl	Blk	TO	PF	FGM / A		%	3PM / A		%	FTM / A		%
J.J. Barea	78	19.8	7.6	0.2	1.7	1.9	3.3	0.4	0.1	1.3	1.5	3.0	6.8	.440	0.7	2.0	.357	1.0	1.2	.844
Gary Payton	82	35.1	16.5	1.3	2.0	3.3	6.0	2.3	0.2	2.1	2.8	7.1	14.1	.504	0.2	0.7	.278	2.0	3.4	.595

Playoffs Stats
	G	Min	Pts	ORb	DRb	Reb	Ast	Stl	Blk	TO	PF	FGM / A		%	3PM / A		%	FTM / A		%
J.J. Barea	6	17.5	5.8	0.7	1.3	2.0	2.5	0.3	0.2	1.7	2.2	2.5	6.2	.405	0.7	1.7	.400	0.2	0.5	.333
Gary Payton	5	36.2	15.8	1.2	2.2	3.4	5.6	1.6	0.4	1.6	3.0	6.8	13.8	.493	0.6	1.8	.333	1.6	3.8	.421


Season 5
	J.J. Barea	Gary Payton
Season	2010-11	1994-95
Team	Dallas Mavericks	Seattle Supersonics
Honors & Awards	-	All-NBA Second Team
	-	All-Defensive First Team
	-	All-Star Game
Playoffs	NBA Champion	Supersonics Lost West Conf 1st Rd

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Regular Season Stats
	G	Min	Pts	ORb	DRb	Reb	Ast	Stl	Blk	TO	PF	FGM / A		%	3PM / A		%	FTM / A		%
J.J. Barea	81	20.6	9.5	0.4	1.6	2.0	3.9	0.4	0.0	1.7	1.7	3.5	8.0	.439	0.8	2.3	.349	1.6	1.9	.847
Gary Payton	82	36.8	20.6	1.3	2.1	3.4	7.1	2.5	0.2	2.5	2.5	8.4	16.4	.509	0.9	2.8	.302	3.0	4.2	.716

Playoffs Stats
	G	Min	Pts	ORb	DRb	Reb	Ast	Stl	Blk	TO	PF	FGM / A		%	3PM / A		%	FTM / A		%
J.J. Barea	21	18.6	8.9	0.4	1.5	1.9	3.4	0.3	0.0	1.1	1.3	3.4	8.2	.419	0.8	2.4	.320	1.3	1.6	.794
Gary Payton	4	43.0	17.8	1.5	1.0	2.5	5.3	1.3	0.0	2.0	3.3	8.0	16.8	.478	0.5	2.5	.200	1.3	3.0	.417


Season 6
	J.J. Barea	Gary Payton
Season	2011-12	1995-96
Team	Minnesota Timberwolves	Seattle Supersonics
Honors & Awards	-	All-NBA Second Team
	-	All-Defensive First Team
	-	Defensive Player of the Year
	-	Steals Leader
	-	All-Star Game
Playoffs	Did Not Play	Supersonics Lost NBA Finals

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Regular Season Stats
	G	Min	Pts	ORb	DRb	Reb	Ast	Stl	Blk	TO	PF	FGM / A		%	3PM / A		%	FTM / A		%
J.J. Barea	41	25.2	11.3	0.3	2.4	2.8	5.7	0.5	0.0	2.5	1.5	4.1	10.2	.400	1.3	3.5	.371	1.9	2.4	.776
Gary Payton	81	39.0	19.3	1.3	2.9	4.2	7.5	2.9	0.2	3.2	2.7	7.6	15.8	.484	1.2	3.7	.328	2.8	3.8	.748

Playoffs Stats
	G	Min	Pts	ORb	DRb	Reb	Ast	Stl	Blk	TO	PF	FGM / A		%	3PM / A		%	FTM / A		%
J.J. Barea	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-
Gary Payton	21	43.4	20.7	0.9	4.2	5.1	6.8	1.8	0.3	3.0	3.3	7.7	15.9	.485	2.0	4.8	.410	3.3	5.2	.633


Season 7
	J.J. Barea	Gary Payton
Season	2012-13	1996-97
Team	Minnesota Timberwolves	Seattle Supersonics
Honors & Awards	-	All-NBA Second Team
	-	All-Defensive First Team
	-	All-Star Game
Playoffs	Did Not Play	Supersonics Lost West Conf Semis

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Regular Season Stats
	G	Min	Pts	ORb	DRb	Reb	Ast	Stl	Blk	TO	PF	FGM / A		%	3PM / A		%	FTM / A		%
J.J. Barea	74	23.1	11.3	0.5	2.3	2.8	4.0	0.4	0.0	2.0	1.8	4.3	10.2	.417	1.3	3.8	.346	1.4	1.8	.784
Gary Payton	82	39.2	21.8	1.3	3.3	4.6	7.1	2.4	0.2	2.6	2.5	8.6	18.1	.476	1.5	4.6	.313	3.1	4.3	.715

Playoffs Stats
	G	Min	Pts	ORb	DRb	Reb	Ast	Stl	Blk	TO	PF	FGM / A		%	3PM / A		%	FTM / A		%
J.J. Barea	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-
Gary Payton	12	45.6	23.8	1.7	3.8	5.4	8.7	2.2	0.3	2.9	2.2	8.8	21.3	.412	2.1	6.3	.333	4.2	5.1	.820


Season 8
	J.J. Barea	Gary Payton
Season	2013-14	1997-98
Team	Minnesota Timberwolves	Seattle Supersonics
Honors & Awards	-	All-NBA First Team
	-	All-Defensive First Team
	-	All-Star Game
Playoffs	Did Not Play	Supersonics Lost West Conf Semis

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Regular Season Stats
	G	Min	Pts	ORb	DRb	Reb	Ast	Stl	Blk	TO	PF	FGM / A		%	3PM / A		%	FTM / A		%
J.J. Barea	79	18.6	8.4	0.2	1.7	1.9	3.8	0.3	0.0	1.6	1.6	3.2	8.3	.387	0.9	2.9	.316	1.0	1.3	.790
Gary Payton	82	38.4	19.2	0.9	3.6	4.6	8.3	2.3	0.2	2.8	2.4	7.1	15.6	.453	1.6	4.8	.338	3.4	4.6	.744

Playoffs Stats
	G	Min	Pts	ORb	DRb	Reb	Ast	Stl	Blk	TO	PF	FGM / A		%	3PM / A		%	FTM / A		%
J.J. Barea	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-
Gary Payton	10	42.7	24.0	0.9	2.5	3.4	7.0	1.8	0.1	2.6	3.1	8.7	18.3	.475	1.9	5.0	.380	4.7	5.0	.940


Season 9
	J.J. Barea	Gary Payton
Season	2014-15	1998-99
Team	Dallas Mavericks	Seattle Supersonics
Honors & Awards	-	All-NBA Second Team
Honors & Awards	-	All-Defensive First Team
Playoffs	Mavericks Lost West Conf 1st Rd	Did Not Play

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Regular Season Stats
	G	Min	Pts	ORb	DRb	Reb	Ast	Stl	Blk	TO	PF	FGM / A		%	3PM / A		%	FTM / A		%
J.J. Barea	77	17.7	7.5	0.3	1.4	1.7	3.4	0.4	0.0	0.9	1.4	2.9	7.0	.420	0.7	2.2	.323	1.0	1.2	.809
Gary Payton	50	40.2	21.7	1.2	3.6	4.9	8.7	2.2	0.2	3.1	2.3	8.0	18.5	.434	1.7	5.6	.295	4.0	5.5	.721

Playoffs Stats
	G	Min	Pts	ORb	DRb	Reb	Ast	Stl	Blk	TO	PF	FGM / A		%	3PM / A		%	FTM / A		%
J.J. Barea	5	30.8	11.8	1.0	3.8	4.8	7.4	0.8	0.0	2.8	3.4	5.0	11.4	.439	0.8	3.2	.250	1.0	1.2	.833
Gary Payton	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-


Season 10
	J.J. Barea	Gary Payton
Season	2015-16	1999-00
Team	Dallas Mavericks	Seattle Supersonics
Honors & Awards	-	All-NBA First Team
	-	All-Defensive First Team
	-	All-Star Game
Playoffs	Mavericks Lost West Conf 1st Rd	Supersonics Lost West Conf 1st Rd

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Regular Season Stats
	G	Min	Pts	ORb	DRb	Reb	Ast	Stl	Blk	TO	PF	FGM / A		%	3PM / A		%	FTM / A		%
J.J. Barea	74	22.5	10.9	0.4	1.7	2.1	4.1	0.4	0.0	1.5	1.5	4.3	9.6	.446	1.4	3.5	.385	1.0	1.3	.771
Gary Payton	82	41.8	24.2	1.2	5.2	6.5	8.9	1.9	0.2	2.7	2.2	9.1	20.3	.448	2.2	6.3	.340	3.8	5.2	.735

Playoffs Stats
	G	Min	Pts	ORb	DRb	Reb	Ast	Stl	Blk	TO	PF	FGM / A		%	3PM / A		%	FTM / A		%
J.J. Barea	4	25.0	6.3	0.0	1.5	1.5	5.0	0.0	0.0	2.8	2.0	2.8	8.5	.324	0.3	2.0	.125	0.5	0.5	1.000
Gary Payton	5	44.2	25.8	1.6	6.0	7.6	7.4	1.8	0.2	3.6	3.2	10.0	22.6	.442	1.8	4.6	.391	4.0	5.2	.769


Season 11
	J.J. Barea	Gary Payton
Season	2016-17	2000-01
Team	Dallas Mavericks	Seattle Supersonics
Honors & Awards	-	All-NBA Third Team
	-	All-Defensive First Team
	-	All-Star Game
Playoffs	Did Not Play	Did Not Play

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Regular Season Stats
	G	Min	Pts	ORb	DRb	Reb	Ast	Stl	Blk	TO	PF	FGM / A		%	3PM / A		%	FTM / A		%
J.J. Barea	35	22.0	10.9	0.3	2.1	2.4	5.5	0.4	0.0	1.8	0.9	4.1	9.8	.414	1.5	4.2	.358	1.3	1.5	.863
Gary Payton	79	41.1	23.1	0.9	3.6	4.6	8.1	1.6	0.3	2.6	2.3	9.2	20.1	.456	1.3	3.4	.375	3.4	4.5	.766

Playoffs Stats
	G	Min	Pts	ORb	DRb	Reb	Ast	Stl	Blk	TO	PF	FGM / A		%	3PM / A		%	FTM / A		%
J.J. Barea	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-
Gary Payton	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-


Season 12
	J.J. Barea	Gary Payton
Season	2017-18	2001-02
Team	Dallas Mavericks	Seattle Supersonics
Honors & Awards	-	All-NBA Second Team
	-	All-Defensive First Team
	-	All-Star Game
Playoffs	Did Not Play	Supersonics Lost West Conf 1st Rd

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Regular Season Stats
	G	Min	Pts	ORb	DRb	Reb	Ast	Stl	Blk	TO	PF	FGM / A		%	3PM / A		%	FTM / A		%
J.J. Barea	69	23.2	11.6	0.2	2.7	2.9	6.3	0.5	0.0	2.1	1.2	4.4	10.0	.439	1.7	4.5	.367	1.2	1.5	.784
Gary Payton	82	40.3	22.1	1.0	3.9	4.8	9.0	1.6	0.3	2.5	2.2	9.0	19.2	.467	0.9	2.9	.314	3.3	4.1	.797

Playoffs Stats
	G	Min	Pts	ORb	DRb	Reb	Ast	Stl	Blk	TO	PF	FGM / A		%	3PM / A		%	FTM / A		%
J.J. Barea	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-
Gary Payton	5	41.2	22.2	2.0	6.6	8.6	5.8	0.6	0.4	2.6	2.4	9.0	21.2	.425	0.8	3.0	.267	3.4	5.8	.586


Season 13
	J.J. Barea	Gary Payton
Season	2018-19	2002-03
Team	Dallas Mavericks	Seattle Supersonics, Milwaukee Bucks
Honors & Awards	-	All-Star Game
Playoffs	Did Not Play	Bucks Lost East Conf 1st Rd

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Regular Season Stats
	G	Min	Pts	ORb	DRb	Reb	Ast	Stl	Blk	TO	PF	FGM / A		%	3PM / A		%	FTM / A		%
J.J. Barea	38	19.8	10.9	0.3	2.2	2.5	5.6	0.6	0.0	1.9	1.3	4.2	10.1	.418	1.0	3.4	.297	1.4	2.1	.705
Gary Payton	80	40.1	20.4	1.0	3.2	4.2	8.3	1.7	0.3	2.3	2.3	8.3	18.3	.454	0.7	2.3	.297	3.1	4.4	.710

Playoffs Stats
	G	Min	Pts	ORb	DRb	Reb	Ast	Stl	Blk	TO	PF	FGM / A		%	3PM / A		%	FTM / A		%
J.J. Barea	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-
Gary Payton	6	41.8	18.5	0.7	2.3	3.0	8.7	1.3	0.2	2.2	3.0	8.0	18.7	.429	0.2	2.5	.067	2.3	3.3	.700


Season 14
	J.J. Barea	Gary Payton
Season	2019-20	2003-04
Team	Dallas Mavericks	Los Angeles Lakers
Honors & Awards
Playoffs	Mavericks Lost West Conf 1st Rd	Lakers Lost NBA Finals

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Regular Season Stats
	G	Min	Pts	ORb	DRb	Reb	Ast	Stl	Blk	TO	PF	FGM / A		%	3PM / A		%	FTM / A		%
J.J. Barea	29	15.5	7.7	0.3	1.5	1.8	3.9	0.2	0.1	1.3	0.9	2.9	7.1	.411	1.1	2.9	.376	0.7	0.8	.909
Gary Payton	82	34.5	14.6	0.9	3.3	4.2	5.5	1.2	0.2	1.8	2.1	5.9	12.5	.471	0.7	2.0	.333	2.2	3.1	.714

Playoffs Stats
	G	Min	Pts	ORb	DRb	Reb	Ast	Stl	Blk	TO	PF	FGM / A		%	3PM / A		%	FTM / A		%
J.J. Barea	1	5.0	3.0	0.0	0.0	0	0.0	0.0	0.0	1.0	1.0	0.0	1.0	.000	0.0	0.0	-	3.0	3.0	1.000
Gary Payton	22	35.0	7.8	0.9	2.4	3.3	5.3	1.0	0.2	1.3	2.7	3.1	8.5	.366	0.6	2.5	.250	1.0	1.3	.750


Season 15
	J.J. Barea	Gary Payton
Season	-	2004-05
Team	-	Boston Celtics
Honors & Awards
Playoffs	-	Celtics Lost East Conf 1st Rd

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Regular Season Stats
	G	Min	Pts	ORb	DRb	Reb	Ast	Stl	Blk	TO	PF	FGM / A		%	3PM / A		%	FTM / A		%
J.J. Barea	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-
Gary Payton	77	33.0	11.3	0.6	2.4	3.1	6.1	1.1	0.2	1.9	1.6	4.4	9.4	.468	0.5	1.7	.326	2.0	2.6	.761

Playoffs Stats
	G	Min	Pts	ORb	DRb	Reb	Ast	Stl	Blk	TO	PF	FGM / A		%	3PM / A		%	FTM / A		%
J.J. Barea	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-
Gary Payton	7	34.1	10.3	1.1	3.0	4.1	4.6	0.9	0.1	1.6	1.4	4.7	10.6	.446	0.1	2.0	.071	0.7	0.9	.833


Season 16
	J.J. Barea	Gary Payton
Season	-	2005-06
Team	-	Miami Heat
Honors & Awards
Playoffs	-	NBA Champion

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Regular Season Stats
	G	Min	Pts	ORb	DRb	Reb	Ast	Stl	Blk	TO	PF	FGM / A		%	3PM / A		%	FTM / A		%
J.J. Barea	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-
Gary Payton	81	28.5	7.7	0.4	2.5	2.9	3.2	0.9	0.1	1.3	2.1	2.8	6.8	.420	0.8	2.8	.287	1.2	1.6	.794

Playoffs Stats
	G	Min	Pts	ORb	DRb	Reb	Ast	Stl	Blk	TO	PF	FGM / A		%	3PM / A		%	FTM / A		%
J.J. Barea	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-
Gary Payton	23	24.3	5.8	0.3	1.5	1.7	1.6	1.0	0.1	0.8	2.4	2.1	5.0	.422	0.7	2.5	.293	0.8	1.1	.720


Season 17
	J.J. Barea	Gary Payton
Season	-	2006-07
Team	-	Miami Heat
Honors & Awards
Playoffs	-	Heat Lost East Conf 1st Rd

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Regular Season Stats
	G	Min	Pts	ORb	DRb	Reb	Ast	Stl	Blk	TO	PF	FGM / A		%	3PM / A		%	FTM / A		%
J.J. Barea	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-
Gary Payton	68	22.1	5.3	0.3	1.7	1.9	3.0	0.6	0.0	1.0	1.7	2.1	5.4	.393	0.5	1.8	.260	0.6	0.8	.667

Playoffs Stats
	G	Min	Pts	ORb	DRb	Reb	Ast	Stl	Blk	TO	PF	FGM / A		%	3PM / A		%	FTM / A		%
J.J. Barea	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-
Gary Payton	2	16.0	0.0	0.0	2.0	2.0	1.5	0.0	0.0	2.0	1.5	0.0	1.5	.000	0.0	0.5	.000	0.0	0.0	-

J.J. Barea vs. Gary Payton Season by Season Comparison

Side by side comparison of each NBA season of Gary Payton and J.J. Barea, from their rookie seasons to their last year played, in chronological order with awards, stats, championships and playoff performance of their teams every year.

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Comparison Season by Season

Rookie Season

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Season 17