Chris Webber vs. Buck Williams Season by Season Comparison

Side by side comparison of each NBA season of Buck Williams and Chris Webber, from their rookie seasons to their last year played, in chronological order with awards, stats, championships and playoff performance of their teams every year.

Player comparisons:
Career comparison / Season by season / Games against each other

Who had the better rookie season? Who had best stats in their 10th season? Who won a championship first? These questions and many others, are answered here.

Chris Webber played 15 years in the NBA, 2 less than Buck Williams, who played 17. Chris Webber had the first of his seasons in 1993-94, while Buck Williams had his rookie season in 1981-82. With that starting point, here you can take a look at each of their seasons side by side and compare how their careers evolved in achivements, awards and championships won, the stats they recorded both in the Regular Season and the Playoffs and how their teams performed in the postseason.

Their Careers
Player	Total Seasons	Playoffs Played	NBA Years
Chris Webber	15	10	1993-94 to 2007-08
Buck Williams	17	14	1981-82 to 1997-98

Comparison Season by Season
Jump to season: 1-2-3-4-5-6-7-8-9-10-11-12-13-14-15-16-17


Rookie Season
	Chris Webber	Buck Williams
Season	1993-94	1981-82
Team	Golden State Warriors	New Jersey Nets
Honors & Awards	Rookie of the Year	Rookie of the Year
	All-Rookie First Team	All-Rookie First Team
	-	All-Star Game
Playoffs	Warriors Lost West Conf 1st Rd	Nets Lost East Conf 1st Rd

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Regular Season Stats
	G	Min	Pts	ORb	DRb	Reb	Ast	Stl	Blk	TO	PF	FGM / A		%	3PM / A		%	FTM / A		%
Chris Webber	76	32.1	17.5	4.0	5.1	9.1	3.6	1.2	2.2	2.7	3.3	7.5	13.6	.552	0.0	0.2	.000	2.5	4.7	.532
Buck Williams	82	34.5	15.5	4.2	8.0	12.3	1.3	1.0	1.0	2.9	3.5	6.3	10.7	.582	0.0	0.0	.000	3.0	4.7	.624

Playoffs Stats
	G	Min	Pts	ORb	DRb	Reb	Ast	Stl	Blk	TO	PF	FGM / A		%	3PM / A		%	FTM / A		%
Chris Webber	3	36.3	15.7	4.3	4.3	8.7	9.0	1.0	3.0	3.0	3.7	7.3	13.3	.550	0.0	0.7	.000	1.0	3.3	.300
Buck Williams	2	39.5	17.5	5.5	5.0	10.5	1.5	0.5	1.0	2.0	3.5	7.0	13.0	.538	0.0	0.0	-	3.5	7.5	.467


Season 2
	Chris Webber	Buck Williams
Season	1994-95	1982-83
Team	Washington Bullets	New Jersey Nets
Honors & Awards	-	All-NBA Second Team
Honors & Awards	-	All-Star Game
Playoffs	Did Not Play	Nets Lost East Conf 1st Rd

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Regular Season Stats
	G	Min	Pts	ORb	DRb	Reb	Ast	Stl	Blk	TO	PF	FGM / A		%	3PM / A		%	FTM / A		%
Chris Webber	54	38.3	20.1	3.7	5.9	9.6	4.7	1.5	1.6	3.1	3.4	8.6	17.4	.495	0.7	2.7	.276	2.2	4.3	.502
Buck Williams	82	36.1	17.0	4.5	8.1	12.5	1.5	1.1	1.3	3.0	3.3	6.5	11.1	.588	0.0	0.0	.000	4.0	6.4	.620

Playoffs Stats
	G	Min	Pts	ORb	DRb	Reb	Ast	Stl	Blk	TO	PF	FGM / A		%	3PM / A		%	FTM / A		%
Chris Webber	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-
Buck Williams	2	42.5	19.0	4.5	7.0	11.5	2.0	1.0	1.0	2.5	6.0	5.5	11.0	.500	0.0	0.0	-	8.0	10.0	.800


Season 3
	Chris Webber	Buck Williams
Season	1995-96	1983-84
Team	Washington Bullets	New Jersey Nets
Honors & Awards
Playoffs	Did Not Play	Nets Lost East Conf Semis

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Regular Season Stats
	G	Min	Pts	ORb	DRb	Reb	Ast	Stl	Blk	TO	PF	FGM / A		%	3PM / A		%	FTM / A		%
Chris Webber	15	37.2	23.7	2.5	5.1	7.6	5.0	1.8	0.6	3.3	3.4	10.0	18.4	.543	1.0	2.3	.441	2.7	4.6	.594
Buck Williams	81	37.1	15.7	4.4	8.0	12.3	1.6	1.0	1.5	2.9	3.7	6.1	11.4	.535	0.0	0.0	.000	3.5	6.1	.570

Playoffs Stats
	G	Min	Pts	ORb	DRb	Reb	Ast	Stl	Blk	TO	PF	FGM / A		%	3PM / A		%	FTM / A		%
Chris Webber	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-
Buck Williams	11	43.0	15.5	5.2	8.9	14.1	1.5	1.4	1.5	2.6	4.0	5.7	11.8	.485	0.0	0.0	-	4.1	7.4	.556


Season 4
	Chris Webber	Buck Williams
Season	1996-97	1984-85
Team	Washington Bullets	New Jersey Nets
Honors & Awards	All-Star Game	-
Playoffs	Bullets Lost East Conf 1st Rd	Nets Lost East Conf 1st Rd

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Regular Season Stats
	G	Min	Pts	ORb	DRb	Reb	Ast	Stl	Blk	TO	PF	FGM / A		%	3PM / A		%	FTM / A		%
Chris Webber	72	39.0	20.1	3.3	7.0	10.3	4.6	1.7	1.9	3.2	3.6	8.4	16.2	.518	0.8	2.1	.397	2.5	4.3	.565
Buck Williams	82	38.8	18.2	3.9	8.3	12.3	2.0	0.8	1.3	2.9	3.6	7.0	13.3	.530	0.0	0.0	.250	4.1	6.6	.625

Playoffs Stats
	G	Min	Pts	ORb	DRb	Reb	Ast	Stl	Blk	TO	PF	FGM / A		%	3PM / A		%	FTM / A		%
Chris Webber	3	35.7	15.7	2.3	5.7	8.0	3.3	0.7	2.3	5.3	6.0	6.3	10.0	.633	1.7	3.7	.455	1.3	2.7	.500
Buck Williams	3	41.0	24.7	4.7	6.0	10.7	0.3	1.0	1.7	2.0	4.0	8.7	13.3	.650	0.0	0.0	-	7.3	10.0	.733


Season 5
	Chris Webber	Buck Williams
Season	1997-98	1985-86
Team	Washington Wizards	New Jersey Nets
Honors & Awards	-	All-Star Game
Playoffs	Did Not Play	Nets Lost East Conf 1st Rd

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Regular Season Stats
	G	Min	Pts	ORb	DRb	Reb	Ast	Stl	Blk	TO	PF	FGM / A		%	3PM / A		%	FTM / A		%
Chris Webber	71	39.6	21.9	2.5	7.0	9.5	3.8	1.6	1.7	2.6	3.8	9.1	18.9	.482	0.9	2.9	.317	2.8	4.7	.589
Buck Williams	82	37.4	15.9	4.0	8.0	12.0	1.6	0.9	1.2	3.0	3.6	6.1	11.7	.523	0.0	0.0	.000	3.7	5.4	.676

Playoffs Stats
	G	Min	Pts	ORb	DRb	Reb	Ast	Stl	Blk	TO	PF	FGM / A		%	3PM / A		%	FTM / A		%
Chris Webber	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-
Buck Williams	3	42.0	20.7	4.0	6.3	10.3	0.7	2.0	0.3	2.0	5.0	7.0	9.7	.724	0.0	0.0	-	6.7	8.7	.769


Season 6
	Chris Webber	Buck Williams
Season	1998-99	1986-87
Team	Sacramento Kings	New Jersey Nets
Honors & Awards	All-NBA Second Team	-
Honors & Awards	Rebounds Leader	-
Playoffs	Kings Lost West Conf 1st Rd	Did Not Play

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Regular Season Stats
	G	Min	Pts	ORb	DRb	Reb	Ast	Stl	Blk	TO	PF	FGM / A		%	3PM / A		%	FTM / A		%
Chris Webber	42	40.9	20.0	3.5	9.4	13.0	4.1	1.4	2.1	3.5	3.5	9.0	18.5	.486	0.1	0.8	.118	1.9	4.1	.454
Buck Williams	82	36.3	18.0	3.9	8.5	12.5	1.6	1.0	1.1	3.4	3.8	6.4	11.4	.557	0.0	0.0	.000	5.2	7.2	.731

Playoffs Stats
	G	Min	Pts	ORb	DRb	Reb	Ast	Stl	Blk	TO	PF	FGM / A		%	3PM / A		%	FTM / A		%
Chris Webber	5	38.4	14.8	2.6	6.8	9.4	4.0	1.8	1.0	4.0	4.0	6.2	16.0	.388	0.4	1.4	.286	2.0	5.0	.400
Buck Williams	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-


Season 7
	Chris Webber	Buck Williams
Season	1999-00	1987-88
Team	Sacramento Kings	New Jersey Nets
Honors & Awards	All-NBA Third Team	-
	-	All-Defensive Second Team
	All-Star Game	-
Playoffs	Kings Lost West Conf 1st Rd	Did Not Play

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Regular Season Stats
	G	Min	Pts	ORb	DRb	Reb	Ast	Stl	Blk	TO	PF	FGM / A		%	3PM / A		%	FTM / A		%
Chris Webber	75	38.4	24.5	2.5	8.0	10.5	4.6	1.6	1.7	2.9	3.5	10.0	20.6	.483	0.4	1.3	.284	4.1	5.5	.751
Buck Williams	70	37.7	18.3	4.3	7.7	11.9	1.6	1.0	0.6	2.7	3.8	6.7	11.9	.560	0.0	0.0	1.000	4.9	7.4	.668

Playoffs Stats
	G	Min	Pts	ORb	DRb	Reb	Ast	Stl	Blk	TO	PF	FGM / A		%	3PM / A		%	FTM / A		%
Chris Webber	5	39.2	24.4	2.8	6.8	9.6	5.4	1.6	2.0	1.6	2.8	9.4	22.0	.427	0.2	1.0	.200	5.4	6.8	.794
Buck Williams	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-


Season 8
	Chris Webber	Buck Williams
Season	2000-01	1988-89
Team	Sacramento Kings	New Jersey Nets
Honors & Awards	All-NBA First Team	-
Honors & Awards	All-Star Game	-
Playoffs	Kings Lost West Conf Semis	Did Not Play

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Regular Season Stats
	G	Min	Pts	ORb	DRb	Reb	Ast	Stl	Blk	TO	PF	FGM / A		%	3PM / A		%	FTM / A		%
Chris Webber	70	40.5	27.1	2.6	8.5	11.1	4.2	1.3	1.7	2.8	3.2	11.2	23.4	.481	0.0	0.4	.071	4.6	6.6	.703
Buck Williams	74	33.1	13.0	3.4	6.0	9.4	1.1	0.8	0.5	1.9	3.0	5.0	9.5	.531	0.0	0.0	.000	2.9	4.3	.666

Playoffs Stats
	G	Min	Pts	ORb	DRb	Reb	Ast	Stl	Blk	TO	PF	FGM / A		%	3PM / A		%	FTM / A		%
Chris Webber	8	43.5	23.3	4.3	7.3	11.5	3.1	1.1	1.0	3.9	3.6	9.5	24.5	.388	0.0	0.1	.000	4.3	6.1	.694
Buck Williams	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-


Season 9
	Chris Webber	Buck Williams
Season	2001-02	1989-90
Team	Sacramento Kings	Portland Trail Blazers
Honors & Awards	All-NBA Second Team	-
	-	All-Defensive First Team
	All-Star Game	-
Playoffs	Kings Lost West Conf Finals	Trail Blazers Lost NBA Finals

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Regular Season Stats
	G	Min	Pts	ORb	DRb	Reb	Ast	Stl	Blk	TO	PF	FGM / A		%	3PM / A		%	FTM / A		%
Chris Webber	54	38.4	24.5	2.8	7.3	10.1	4.8	1.7	1.4	2.9	3.4	9.9	19.9	.495	0.1	0.4	.263	4.7	6.3	.749
Buck Williams	82	34.2	13.6	3.0	6.7	9.8	1.4	0.8	0.5	2.0	3.5	5.0	9.2	.548	0.0	0.0	.000	3.5	5.0	.706

Playoffs Stats
	G	Min	Pts	ORb	DRb	Reb	Ast	Stl	Blk	TO	PF	FGM / A		%	3PM / A		%	FTM / A		%
Chris Webber	16	41.6	23.7	3.1	7.8	10.8	4.7	0.9	1.6	2.9	4.0	10.0	19.9	.502	0.0	0.3	.000	3.7	6.2	.596
Buck Williams	21	37.0	13.0	3.2	6.0	9.2	1.9	0.6	0.3	2.0	3.5	4.8	9.5	.508	0.0	0.0	-	3.4	5.0	.676


Season 10
	Chris Webber	Buck Williams
Season	2002-03	1990-91
Team	Sacramento Kings	Portland Trail Blazers
Honors & Awards	All-NBA Second Team	-
	-	All-Defensive First Team
	All-Star Game	-
Playoffs	Kings Lost West Conf Semis	Trail Blazers Lost West Conf Finals

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Regular Season Stats
	G	Min	Pts	ORb	DRb	Reb	Ast	Stl	Blk	TO	PF	FGM / A		%	3PM / A		%	FTM / A		%
Chris Webber	67	39.1	23.0	2.4	8.1	10.5	5.4	1.6	1.3	3.2	3.0	9.9	21.4	.461	0.1	0.3	.238	3.2	5.3	.607
Buck Williams	80	32.3	11.7	2.8	6.6	9.4	1.2	0.6	0.6	1.7	3.1	4.5	7.4	.602	0.0	0.0	-	2.7	3.9	.705

Playoffs Stats
	G	Min	Pts	ORb	DRb	Reb	Ast	Stl	Blk	TO	PF	FGM / A		%	3PM / A		%	FTM / A		%
Chris Webber	7	35.0	23.7	2.6	5.7	8.3	3.6	1.4	1.1	3.3	3.6	9.6	19.3	.496	0.0	0.4	.000	4.6	7.0	.653
Buck Williams	16	35.8	10.3	3.3	5.6	8.9	0.9	0.6	0.3	1.5	3.4	4.1	8.1	.500	0.0	0.0	-	2.2	3.6	.603


Season 11
	Chris Webber	Buck Williams
Season	2003-04	1991-92
Team	Sacramento Kings	Portland Trail Blazers
Honors & Awards	-	All-Defensive Second Team
Playoffs	Kings Lost West Conf Semis	Trail Blazers Lost NBA Finals

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Regular Season Stats
	G	Min	Pts	ORb	DRb	Reb	Ast	Stl	Blk	TO	PF	FGM / A		%	3PM / A		%	FTM / A		%
Chris Webber	23	36.1	18.7	2.1	6.6	8.7	4.6	1.3	0.9	2.6	3.3	7.6	18.3	.413	0.0	0.2	.200	3.5	5.0	.711
Buck Williams	80	31.5	11.3	3.3	5.6	8.8	1.4	0.8	0.5	1.6	3.1	4.3	7.0	.604	0.0	0.0	.000	2.8	3.7	.754

Playoffs Stats
	G	Min	Pts	ORb	DRb	Reb	Ast	Stl	Blk	TO	PF	FGM / A		%	3PM / A		%	FTM / A		%
Chris Webber	12	37.3	18.4	2.0	6.3	8.3	3.7	1.3	0.8	3.2	2.8	7.5	16.6	.452	0.1	0.3	.250	3.3	5.4	.615
Buck Williams	21	36.1	9.6	2.9	5.6	8.5	1.0	1.3	0.8	2.1	3.5	3.1	6.2	.508	0.0	0.0	-	3.3	4.3	.758


Season 12
	Chris Webber	Buck Williams
Season	2004-05	1992-93
Team	Sacramento Kings, Philadelphia 76ers	Portland Trail Blazers
Honors & Awards
Playoffs	76ers Lost East Conf 1st Rd	Trail Blazers Lost West Conf 1st Rd

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Regular Season Stats
	G	Min	Pts	ORb	DRb	Reb	Ast	Stl	Blk	TO	PF	FGM / A		%	3PM / A		%	FTM / A		%
Chris Webber	67	35.4	19.5	1.9	7.2	9.1	4.7	1.4	0.8	2.7	3.2	8.3	19.1	.433	0.2	0.7	.341	2.7	3.4	.794
Buck Williams	82	30.5	8.3	2.8	5.6	8.4	0.9	1.0	0.7	1.2	3.3	3.3	6.4	.511	0.0	0.0	.000	1.7	2.6	.645

Playoffs Stats
	G	Min	Pts	ORb	DRb	Reb	Ast	Stl	Blk	TO	PF	FGM / A		%	3PM / A		%	FTM / A		%
Chris Webber	5	37.0	19.0	2.4	3.4	5.8	2.8	1.2	0.2	2.2	4.0	7.8	19.0	.411	1.0	2.8	.357	2.4	3.2	.750
Buck Williams	4	29.8	8.8	3.0	4.3	7.3	0.3	0.3	0.8	1.5	3.0	2.8	5.8	.478	0.0	0.0	-	3.3	4.8	.684


Season 13
	Chris Webber	Buck Williams
Season	2005-06	1993-94
Team	Philadelphia 76ers	Portland Trail Blazers
Honors & Awards
Playoffs	Did Not Play	Trail Blazers Lost West Conf 1st Rd

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Regular Season Stats
	G	Min	Pts	ORb	DRb	Reb	Ast	Stl	Blk	TO	PF	FGM / A		%	3PM / A		%	FTM / A		%
Chris Webber	75	38.6	20.2	2.5	7.4	9.9	3.4	1.4	0.8	2.4	2.9	8.2	19.0	.434	0.3	1.0	.273	3.5	4.6	.756
Buck Williams	81	32.5	9.7	3.9	6.5	10.4	1.0	0.7	0.6	1.4	3.0	3.6	6.5	.555	0.0	0.0	.000	2.5	3.7	.679

Playoffs Stats
	G	Min	Pts	ORb	DRb	Reb	Ast	Stl	Blk	TO	PF	FGM / A		%	3PM / A		%	FTM / A		%
Chris Webber	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-
Buck Williams	4	31.3	12.8	3.5	5.3	8.8	0.5	1.0	0.5	2.0	2.8	4.8	7.0	.679	0.0	0.0	-	3.3	3.8	.867


Season 14
	Chris Webber	Buck Williams
Season	2006-07	1994-95
Team	Philadelphia 76ers, Detroit Pistons	Portland Trail Blazers
Honors & Awards
Playoffs	Pistons Lost East Conf Finals	Trail Blazers Lost West Conf 1st Rd

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Regular Season Stats
	G	Min	Pts	ORb	DRb	Reb	Ast	Stl	Blk	TO	PF	FGM / A		%	3PM / A		%	FTM / A		%
Chris Webber	61	29.9	11.2	2.0	5.1	7.2	3.1	1.0	0.7	1.8	2.3	4.7	10.5	.452	0.1	0.2	.364	1.7	2.6	.638
Buck Williams	82	29.5	9.2	3.1	5.1	8.2	1.0	0.8	0.8	1.5	3.1	3.8	7.4	.512	0.0	0.0	.500	1.7	2.5	.673

Playoffs Stats
	G	Min	Pts	ORb	DRb	Reb	Ast	Stl	Blk	TO	PF	FGM / A		%	3PM / A		%	FTM / A		%
Chris Webber	16	25.3	9.9	2.3	4.0	6.3	1.5	0.9	0.6	1.6	3.2	4.1	7.9	.524	0.0	0.1	.000	1.6	3.1	.531
Buck Williams	3	34.3	8.3	2.7	3.7	6.3	0.3	1.3	0.7	1.3	4.7	3.0	5.0	.600	0.0	0.0	-	2.3	3.7	.636


Season 15
	Chris Webber	Buck Williams
Season	2007-08	1995-96
Team	Golden State Warriors	Portland Trail Blazers
Honors & Awards
Playoffs	Did Not Play	Trail Blazers Lost West Conf 1st Rd

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Regular Season Stats
	G	Min	Pts	ORb	DRb	Reb	Ast	Stl	Blk	TO	PF	FGM / A		%	3PM / A		%	FTM / A		%
Chris Webber	9	14.0	3.9	0.2	3.3	3.6	2.0	0.4	0.7	1.2	1.9	1.7	3.4	.484	0.0	0.0	-	0.6	1.3	.417
Buck Williams	70	23.9	7.3	2.3	3.5	5.8	0.6	0.6	0.7	1.3	2.7	2.7	5.5	.500	0.0	0.0	.667	1.8	2.7	.668

Playoffs Stats
	G	Min	Pts	ORb	DRb	Reb	Ast	Stl	Blk	TO	PF	FGM / A		%	3PM / A		%	FTM / A		%
Chris Webber	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-
Buck Williams	5	26.6	4.8	2.6	2.4	5.0	0.2	0.2	0.8	1.0	3.6	1.8	4.6	.391	0.2	0.4	.500	1.0	1.4	.714


Season 16
	Chris Webber	Buck Williams
Season	-	1996-97
Team	-	New York Knicks
Honors & Awards
Playoffs	-	Knicks Lost East Conf Semis

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Regular Season Stats
	G	Min	Pts	ORb	DRb	Reb	Ast	Stl	Blk	TO	PF	FGM / A		%	3PM / A		%	FTM / A		%
Chris Webber	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-
Buck Williams	74	20.2	6.3	2.2	3.1	5.4	0.7	0.5	0.5	1.1	2.8	2.4	4.4	.537	0.0	0.0	.000	1.6	2.4	.642

Playoffs Stats
	G	Min	Pts	ORb	DRb	Reb	Ast	Stl	Blk	TO	PF	FGM / A		%	3PM / A		%	FTM / A		%
Chris Webber	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-
Buck Williams	10	19.2	4.3	1.3	2.7	4.0	0.6	0.3	0.4	0.4	3.4	1.7	3.5	.486	0.0	0.0	-	0.9	1.7	.529


Season 17
	Chris Webber	Buck Williams
Season	-	1997-98
Team	-	New York Knicks
Honors & Awards
Playoffs	-	Knicks Lost East Conf Semis

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Regular Season Stats
	G	Min	Pts	ORb	DRb	Reb	Ast	Stl	Blk	TO	PF	FGM / A		%	3PM / A		%	FTM / A		%
Chris Webber	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-
Buck Williams	41	18.0	4.9	1.9	2.6	4.5	0.5	0.4	0.4	0.9	2.3	1.8	3.6	.503	0.0	0.0	-	1.3	1.7	.732

Playoffs Stats
	G	Min	Pts	ORb	DRb	Reb	Ast	Stl	Blk	TO	PF	FGM / A		%	3PM / A		%	FTM / A		%
Chris Webber	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-
Buck Williams	3	15.0	4.7	2.3	3.0	5.3	0.3	0.0	0.3	1.0	1.7	1.3	3.0	.444	0.0	0.0	-	2.0	2.7	.750

Chris Webber vs. Buck Williams Season by Season Comparison

Side by side comparison of each NBA season of Buck Williams and Chris Webber, from their rookie seasons to their last year played, in chronological order with awards, stats, championships and playoff performance of their teams every year.

Their Careers

Comparison Season by Season

Rookie Season

Season 2

Season 3

Season 4

Season 5

Season 6

Season 7

Season 8

Season 9

Season 10

Season 11

Season 12

Season 13

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Season 17